apparently i posted in the wrong section and the thread was closed, so here we go again.. i joined the forum hornet suggested but the forum he suggested is pretty much dead and not much active people so ill stick to asking questions here, and ultram worried me for a second, but all is good. take #2 at this thread -.- I was just looking at bikes that sounded nice,looked nice,around $10,000. for a possible upgrade in the future... i've only had the gs for 6 and a bit months, i'm on my green p's on the 17th of this month, so my understanding is i can ride a non lams bike after said date, the R on my license is the 18th (clarified with ultram so i am un-restricted) was just on bikesales, and i saw a couple of these bikes the honda VFR800fi, i really like the look of them and they sound reasonable in the technical aspect, i did a google search on reviews, and they weren't as helpful as i thought. my future upgrade will be used for the same things i do now, a combination of touring (a little bit),normal riding (commuting), and fun in the twisty bits, i want full fairings.. as i've had 2 naked bikes now. what is the general consensus on these bikes? there is one for sale at mornington honda, so test riding it shouldn't be an issue if its still for sale when i can make time. or has anyone got any other recommendations, i was looking at the vstrom, but all the threads on here seem to focus on how it doesn't look great. obviously i haven't got the money to go out and buy it next week, id have to save and sell the gs, but it doesn't harm anyone, having a gawk now. cheers guys.