This thread will definitely stir up some more arguments. I will not state my views. I will express what I think has been expressed here. In no particular order. Number One: HYOSUNG - especially GT250R Pro Camp: love it. Great value for money Against Camp: there are many, especially ex-owners. Questions about quality, reliablity and how Hysungs have been built. This brand has stirred up so much debate and emotions amongst our Netriders. Number Two: HARLEY DAVIDSON I haven't seen any trashing of Harley Davidson for a very very long time. I think some of us think that Harleys are over priced Cruisers???? Just rich wannabes who want to be tough. Can't comment on the bike itself. I know so little about them. I think it is the image that makes people react. Help me on this one cos I'm lost with this brand. Maybe I should not have nominated Harley Davidsons. Number THREE: Zhongseng and any new Chinese brand bike Not controversial yet, when people start buying them on mass, then I guess all the comments will come out. Number 4, 5, 6 .... Help me. Not sure why I wrote this thread. I guess I got tired of reading another Hyosung thread.