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Continued training ‘key to fewer motorcycle fatalities’ in Queensland

Discussion in 'Motorcycling News' started by Mouth, Jan 14, 2016.

  1. OVER two decades, the number of fatalities of older motorcycle riders has risen steeply, while the number of fatalities of younger riders has visibly dropped.

    It's a paradigm Learn2Ride owner Brett Hoskin said came down to training.

    "Older, and possibly more experienced riders, who may be reluctant to practise and fine-tune their skills, could be a greater risk than young riders," he said.

    "Many riders out there who were licensed before the Q-Ride system was introduced in Queensland, received little to no formal training to get their licence."

    The average number of Queensland motorcycle fatalities for riders over 50 rose from about 10 in 1991 to about 70 last year.

    For riders under 30, the number dropped from more than 120 to about 90.

    SHOCKING: While the number of under-30s involved in motorbike fatalities dropped from 1991 to 2015, the number of victims over 50 rose sharply.

    Mr Hoskin will participate in discussions tomorrow about the Department of Transport and Main Roads' proposal to reduce fatalities.

    The department is considering extending the period of time learners spend on different levels of their motorcycle licence.

    Mr Hoskin said more experience and training was needed, rather than more time holding a licence.

    "Regardless of how long someone has held a licence, it doesn't mean they become more experienced," he said.
    Mr Hoskin wouldn't comment on proposed changes as the specifics hadn't yet been announced.

    However he said he was looking forward to discussions. "Any reform to motorcycle training is a good thing," he said.


    Continued training ‘key to fewer motorcycle fatalities’
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  2. not surprising from somebody who offers training. Hopefully the advocate groups will be involved too to ensure a balance
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  3. Misrepresenting numbers again. The periods are listed as 5 year blocks, so the figures are a lot lower than they are quoting. Maybe some numbers on ride age ratios would help too.
    Still not good numbers though, but we are still ahead of the youngblood.
  4. #4 Vertical C, Jan 14, 2016
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    Sounds like subsidised training would save lives.
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  5. #5 Fractalz, Jan 14, 2016
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    The numbers are what they are ... all the stats in the above article are in five year blocks in order to simplify representing numbers over the 25 year period.
    I will try to post more complete graphs for you

    It's more than just training .. it's changing the thinking of riders from an entitled "I have rights" ... to a strategic hazard management style. That's the challenge. More training for riders entering the system will, over time, replace the old style defensive riding style with a more critical thinking style that relies less on the prescriptive than on interpretation.
  6. There is no attempt at normalising this data for the number of riders, or distance ridden in each age group. They all appear to be approaching the same number per age group. Maybe there are just similar numbers riding in each age group now?

    More data would be good before they just mandate training that may have no effect at all.
  7. Those figures are completely wrong.

    "About 70" rider fatalities over 50 plus "about 90" deaths under 30, plus whatever number riders between 30 and 50 would mean at least 160 rider fatalities in Queensland in 2015 which is complete horse shit.

    There were 37 rider fatalities in Qld in 2014 and 54 in 2015.

    54 motorcycle deaths in Qld's 242 road toll for 2015
  8. The graph in the article is for 5 year blocks not yearly stats. It really makes no difference as the trends are the same.
  9. #9 jmc, Jan 14, 2016
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    The text from the article says "last year", not "cumulative total of previous five years". Big difference.

    That's not overstating or misleading, it's just plain wrong.
  10. Yes the text is wrong .. it should read "in the last 5 years" but I guess the reporter didn't proof read? ... but the graph is accurate.
  11. I guess that's the reason for the "about 90" and "about 70", looks like somebody was handed a pretty bad graph and told to write a story about it.
  12. Either way, many of us could benefit from some advanced rider training, and maybe a little bit of hart or css as well thrown in for good measure. ;)
  13. Not sure why you think the graph is bad other than what it indicates about older riders.

    Here is the document from which the graph above was sourced.

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  14. A good point. In Queensland the motorcycle advocacy groups are very much behind the training. I am sure they would endorse targeted strategies to address this issue :)
    Education reduces motorcycle crashes - Motorbike Writer