Interesting articles in the news today... Transformer mentioned this one in the "consequences of..." thread. First, of course - Tim Flannery writes that it is all the greenhouses gases that have reduced our rainfall; making the fire danger so bad here. His conclusion: we must do MORE to reduce emissions and greenhouse gases, or we will have more and worse fires in the future. A quote from the article THEN we have Miranda Devine writing that the fires were so deadly because 'Greenies' (lobby groups and councils) have so successfully prevented people from clearing trees and vegetation from around their homes. A quote from the article Bush fires are a fact of life in Australia. They have always happened. Whether deliberately lit, accidentally lit, or as a product of nature: we have bush, and every so often; it burns. I think if I was in the situation of knowing the fires were coming, I wouldn't be outside my house with a garden hose: I would be out there with a rake and a chainsaw, taking as much fuel as I can and moving it as far away from my house as possible.. Were the aesthetics or shaky-science crew to interrupt me with some sort of threat of fines for what I was doing; I would politely tell them that if they love these types of trees so f***ing much, they should go hug one of the ones on the other side of the ridge... it wouldd be a very warm hug. Here is another quote from Tim Flannery's article I think Kevin Rudd is wrong. If I were to modify his sentiment slightly, I think it would be more correct. IF climate change is the real result of carbon dioxide; then climate change may be the greatest threat facing the human race. But the greatest threat facing humanity (where "humanity" is the quality or condition of being human) is the climate change specific environmental movement. Some of you may have picked up my thoughts on the truth or reality of 'climate change', but: My skepticism aside I am entirely in favour of alternative fuels, renewable resources, and the reduction->elimination of pollutants - and I think the technology to achieve those things should be worked towards: grants, funding, big breakthroughs that will make a real difference. But this 'micromanagement', 'you can make a difference' stuff, is IMO a steaming pile of shit. ... and now it's gotten people killed. I'm sure Tim Flannery would abhore the notion that his ideals have contributed to the deaths in Victoria. Many people would say he bears no blame either. However, as a well published scientist and champion of the climate change philosophy, it is a fact that he was worked hard to fashion a very attractive ball to pass on to others. :arrow: and idiots have picked it up to run with it.