Are there any owners out there with thoughts about either of these? Anyone who has test ridden them for a weekend or taken them for a decent ride? I'm going to head out to my local Beemer dealer next week to test ride these but I probably won't be on them long enough to get a good feel for them. (In the old days Mott's used to let me have bikes over long weekends, but this seems to have dried up with the new dealer.) My current bike is an R12R. The F800S/R12S will mostly be ridden by my partner. He's still a learner on a 250, so unfortunately I need to choose for him. He likes the look of both the R-S and F-S, so it just comes down to what either would be like to own and ride daily. Ideally he should wait 12 months until he can test-ride them himself, I know, but I can just see him wanting a big bike the day he gets his 250cc licence (WA) so he can be a learner on a big bike. Personally, I think he'll be more than capable. He should have been born with wheels instead of feet. I prefer the shaft/telelever/paralever set-up of the R, but I've heard mixed views on its comfort level. I had a friend with an R11S daily rider who seemed happy enough but the new R12S seems more sporty and less sport-toury. OK, here's what I'm after: a fun bike that won't get boring, that is comfortable enough to do some distance riding and still fine for commuting. My partner likes the naked or semi-naked look (on bikes too ....). Can't get another R12R as that would just be too cheesy. Besides, he likes more of a forward lean on his bikes and the R-R has the ergonomics of a dirt bike. Why only BMW? I'm after ABS, don't want a chain, and I've been on beemers for 12 years. I like their stability, flat torque curves and reliability. And before someone starts asking why I'm not looking at a K class beemer .... I've recently gone to R's from K's (had a K75S and K1200RS), and although I loved the smooth pull of the triple in particular, I'm now sold on the R12. I'd liken the R12 engine to a locomotive and now I'm hooked on it. The K is more like a jet fighter. The new K12 engine would just lead to too much sin and a much shorter life expectancy. Perhaps I'm just getting old! However, as my partner will be coming from a 250cc spada, I don't think he'd notice the lack of pull in the F800 that made me walk away from it with a grimace when I test rode an ST a few months back. Perhaps it grows on you ... as my mechanic keeps telling me. Anyway, I'd love to hear your experiences riding either of these!