First up yes I have searched/researched and looked around, and I know similar questions have been asked. R:e licence(lams) will upgrade if needed. I live in Geraldton 400ks from Perth in vast wa. I can only have one bike and only my wife will have a car. (A tarago people mover) My commute is only 10mins to work daily. I want something I can ride to Perth if for some reason I ever have to (would be pretty rare) how would a 400 go doing long distance? I will definatly be going off-road but not to do jumps or hardcore stuff, more just to explore the bush maybe even more remote places, mud? Maybe cut up a little bit. My only real dirt experience has been my 250cc quad so I'm not hugely confident off-road and the bigger bikes are a bit intimidating I weigh 70 kilos have done for years however if a 650 is best I will get used to it as I plan to keep this bike a long time. I live in a coastal desert according to the TV show "house rules" so even beach sand may be in the mix. How does a 650 go off-road? I have other things to do than change the oil after every ride however I will definatly keep up with services. Just don't want a bike that lives in the shed waiting for me to sling a spanner before I can ride it. The bikes I'm considering are: Bmw gs650 Yamaha tenere 660 Suzuki dr650 Suzuki drz400. Are there any other bikes that compare to the dr? / drz? Im in a pickle. As for budget I'm not looking for a bling machine I'm just looking for something that ticks the boxes. I really appreciate any and all relevant input So thanks in advance!