Just been reading the 'Sorry Dude' thread (before it got threadjacked and degenerated into the 'V2' bitchfight), and it made me think a bit. Can't remember which philosopher this story is told about: maybe Diogenes? Anyway, a guy comes to the philosopher in Athens and says "I'm thinking of moving to Thessaloniki, what are the people like there?" The philosopher says "First, tell me: what are the people like in Athens?" "Oh", says the guy, "they're great: really kind, always go out of their way to help people, thoughtful... the people of Athens are amazing." "You'll find the people of Thessaloniki are just the same" says the philosopher. Another guy comes up to the philosopher and asks the same question... and gets the same question in return. "Oh", he says, "I can't wait to get out of this joint. The people of Athens are greedy, grasping, mean, selfish, rude, lazy... useless bastards the lot of them." And the philosopher says "You'll find the people of Thessaloniki to be just the same". Geddit? What we observe is partly what's there to be observed, but to quite a large extent it's about us, our attitudes and perceptions and filters. I tend to see the huge majority of drivers who are considerate and thoughtful, let me in, let me split, wait until I go by and just generally drive safely and well. Now and then I'll see someone pull out in front of me or whatever, but even then it's most often a mistake, not malice or real carelessness and thoughtlessness. The OP in the 'Sorry Dude' thread is a rider, careful driver, thought he was doing the right thing... but made a mistake. I'm not perfect, and I don't and can't expect perfection from everyone else on the road - just an appropriate level of care, thought and attention (that includes things like not being on the phone). Sure, there are dangerous idiots like the Commodore full of young blokes that pulled out in front of me without looking last night then fishtailed to try to get clear, and there are idiots on the phone or eating or doing their hair. But what you see out on the road is to a huge extent determined by what you look for. S'what I think, anyway. Or am I off base and just Pollyannaishly ignoring all the mad, bad and evil cagers that are out to get me every day, that some others seem to be seeing almost exclusively when they look at the roads?