Like many here, I read the submissions made to government, I see the statistics and I see the dreadful adverts explaining what an awful burden we are on society. I see statistics quoted telling me that more than two thirds of motorcyclists support mandatory safety gear. That most of us don't think we'll get caught speeding. That 212% of us would like to ride padded Vespa's. (OK, I made up the last one) I've also seen the discussions here with the advice "Don't talk to them. Don't take part in their studies. Don't fill out the surveys." We know why this advice is given and it makes some sense. The questions are biased and leading, the tests are designed to yield a pre-determined conclusion, the pseudo science would make Adam and Jamie wince. But, I want to pose this question seriously. Are we getting it completely wrong? Are we the people that don't vote and then biatch about the politicians? Is it possible that in trying to take the high ground, we're condemning ourselves to be covered in mud by the only people slinging it? We know motorcyclists have many factions and sub-factions. I wonder if the biggest faction* is the one sitting silent. How many road-riding, 25 to 40 year old, moderately sane riders are being drowned out by those that have the time and inclination to talk to people like TAC? I know some of you will be sick of stating your case, cut & paste if you like, but I'd really like to see it given some thought and if worthy, debate; in the hope that whatever we feel the best course of action to be, more of us take it. * I'm not actually saying that statistically this is the largest group, or that this is the only group that should respond. Just making an un-verified observation about who a silent and significant number might be.