The 2 suzukis look they would be learner legal. I'm surprised that i have never seen them on the road as they look really good for such a price. Both 500, (plenty of oompth) for beginners looking for something rather than hyo250, kwaka250, and would be bigger than similar 250's. They look nice, they are from known company, and are quite nice for something bigger than 250 but still tame. So my question is, why have i not seen these before? (maybe both new models)??