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ANZAC 2015 The centenary - May provoke division in multi cultural australia???

Discussion in 'The Pub' at netrider.net.au started by chicken78, Mar 26, 2012.

  1. Anzac Day could provoke division in multicultural Australia
    Commemorations should be "culturally sensitive and inclusive"
    RSL says Anzac Day held a "central place in Australia"
    THE Federal Government has been warned that celebrating the centenary of Anzac Day could provoke division in multicultural Australia - and that there are "risks" in honouring our fallen soldiers.

    The centenary is a "double-edged sword" and a "potential area of divisiveness" because of multiculturalism, a taxpayer-funded report finds.

    Bureaucrats spent almost $370,000 for focus-group testing and a research paper used by the Government to guide commemoration plans, which listed multiculturalism under "risks and issues" to avoid "unexpected negative complications".

    Diggers groups slammed the report, saying Australians supported the April 2015 centenary celebrations, which are expected to stop the nation, and include travelling exhibitions and special remembrance services.

    The report also says organisers should avoid references to current military action because it is "unpopular with young people".

    The paper states: "Commemorating our military history in a multicultural society is something of a double-edged sword.

    "While the 100th anniversaries are thought to provide some opportunity for creating a greater sense of unity, it is also recognised as a potential area of divisiveness."

    More research into the impact of Anzac Day commemorations on recently arrived migrants was suggested.

    But the report acknowledged that making the centenary events "overly political correct" would not be well received generally or by military personnel.

    Commemorations should be "culturally sensitive and inclusive", the paper said.

    It said events to mark the centenary and wars which had claimed the lives of more than 100,000 Australians should not be "unrelentingly gloomy". Any commemoration "needs to allow a positive end, make it uplifting after being reflective".

    "Commemoration fatigue" was identified in focus groups if events spanned a planned four years - the same amount of time Australians spent fighting in hellish conditions at places including Gallipoli and the Western Front during World War I.

    The paper has been panned by the RSL, which maintains Australia's enthusiasm for the day remains as strong as ever.

    RSL national president Ken Doolan, a member of the Anzac Day National Commission and the Anzac Centenary advisory board, said Anzac Day held a "central place in Australia".

    "The Australian people have said overwhelmingly that they want the centenary celebrated," he said.

    Victorian RSL president David McLachlan said the commemoration had the full support of Australia's Turkish communities and the Turkish Government.

    There were no multicultural issues with the planned event, Mr McLachlan said.

    Ray Brown, of the Injured Service Persons Association, was horrified by the spending. "We've always seemed to get it right, we have never offended anybody.

    "We seem to be able to acknowledge war is not a nice thing and that people on both sides lose out - and we have never had to spend $300,000 combined, let alone in one year," he said.

    The cost is on top of more than $103,000 on focus groups to discuss "branding concepts" for the centenary in 2015.

    A spokesman for Veterans Affairs Minister Warren Snowdon said the research paper was to "gain an understanding of the views, perceptions, knowledge and aspirations of the Australian people in relation to Anzac commemoration and the impending centenary".


  2. Already got it planned. Boardshotrts and the flag as a cape.
  3. At the going down of the sun, and in the morning.
    We promised to never forget...
  4. It's absolute bollocks.
  5. I read that earlier today. It's totally ridiculous... The PC crap has just got to stop.
  6. What a surprise, politicians find a way to spend tax dollars on something stupid when that money could have been spent in so many much urgently needed agendas!!

    As a recent migrant i see Anzac day as a day of remembrance for the Australians who have fallen and i respect that! Every nation has some kind of day where they do this out of respect for the brave men and women who dedicate and sacrifice their lives for their country!

    I look forward to the centenary celebrations!
  7. Personally, I find ANZAC day all too often crosses the line into excessive nationalism. There's a big difference between respect and worship, but the gap seems to get uncomfortably small.

    I prefer Armstice Day. It's about remembering how bad things were/can be, what people did despite the conditions and circumstances, and has undertones of gratefulness that the bloody war ended. It is about thankfulness for the sacrifices people made, and regret that they were asked to make them. It is about remembering the nature of war, and the people who gave themselves up to it.

    ANZAC Day is celebratory. I refuse to view war -especially the First World War- in a joyous light.
  8. To anyone who is offended by ANZAC day - FUCK YOU AND THE HORSE (or sheep, goat, camel, bureaucrat even motorbike) YOU RODE IN ON!
  9. This is something that I noticed creeping in since I arrived here 15 years ago. At first, ANZAC Day seemed to be a fairly dignified day of remembrance, different to but in a similar vein as Armistice Day. Then a distinct trend towards a fairly offensive level of tub-thumping jingoism started. Although, as an old lefty, there is always a temptation to blame such things solely on the Howard government, I think the underlying reasons were a bit more complicated. I suspect that at least some of it had something to do with the dwindling numbers of old diggers who'd actually experienced real wars and whose perspective on such occasions has always been, IMHO, a bit more measured than those who haven't.

    Remembrance is important, but there are more and better ways to do it than wrapping yourself in the flag and leaving litter all over ANZAC Cove.
  10. Sorry Connor. I agree with everything you posted, but just had to fix that last bit.

    Are you suggesting its value neutral, Blue? With those sentiments? The meaning of ANZAC day isn't set in concrete. What should be a low-key and respectful commemoration is getting pulled this way and that, and in no small part by the paper that printed the article, which has a vested interest in stoking the fires of controversy and nationalist sentiment in the hope of squeezing a few extra dollars out of the event.

    The risk isn't from multiculturalism. It's from nationalism, and if you forget that, you've failed to understand why WWI was such a tragic fucking farce.
  11. As kids, we were told that the diggers - and no-one else - were entitled to express bitterness toward their former enemies. Everyone else was told to shut their mouths and show respect.

    ANZAC Day should be commemorated. The only thing that should be celebrated, privately, is the comradeship of the survivors of war. Not the borrowed glory of onlookers.
  12. Your version is probably better/more accurate than mine :).

    EDIT: Oh, and I reckon the only people who should be allowed to march around with medals are the ones who actually earned them. I'm more inclined to take the wearing of a relative's awards as an insult to everyone who has received them; it devalues what the piece of metal/ribbon represents.

  13. Is there anything else that needs to be said??
  14. Will the really offended people please stand up? Hmm, no one? Let’s not get carried away with the results of an overpriced whiteboard session.

    Tory Shepherd eloquently summed the situation up, and agrees with smee too, on news.com.au this morning
  15. Certainly agree while the recipient is still living. I can understand the desire to keep the memory of those deeds alive though. I think a relative could carry them but should not wear them.
  16. IIRC, the tradition of war widows being allowed to wear their husbands' medals goes back a fair way and I don't have any real problem with that. I'm not convinced the permission should pass down through multiple generations though.
  17. WTF? "unrelentingly gloomy" is exactly what it should be. It was a horrendous war, killing millions, maiming millions... We should be extremely sad that we lost so many, and we should remember our fallen with dignity and respect. It should NOT be made into a "feel good" event. (IMO).
  18. I okay with widows doing it, as long as that's where it stops. As you get further and further from an event, the reality of it becomes less and less understandable. Since medals are a token to communicate something, to misappropriate them is to make them meaningless.

    And when you chuck in how bloody pointless it was... words escape me.
  19. Not only pointless but laid the groundwork for both Hitler and Stalin to cause further misery a decade or two down the track.

    On the ANZAC subject specifically, though, I recently read Allan Moorehead's Gallipoli and it struck me quite forcefully that there was one aspect of the campaign that does deserve some sober celebration, that being the withdrawal. By cleverness, stealth, and nerves of solid iron the Allied forces got all their men off the peninsula with only two wounded. Two! That's for an operation which experienced generals at the time were expecting to yield 30-50% casualties. Now that is an achievment to be proud of.

    Pity most of the survivors then ended up in the mud of the Western Front.
  20. It's not supposed to be a commemoration of the campaign which was of course pointless and badly executed.

    It's supposed to be a commemoration of the ordinary blokes who stood up and went and served their country. And all those who continue to do so.

    It should be a day of respect and thanks, not a huge party