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Any Citroen people here??

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by hornet, Feb 7, 2016.

  1. I've always wanted something a bit different in cars. My first was a clapped-out 105e Ford Anglia, followed by a few Peugeots, a P76, some Triumphs, then boring company cars for 16 years, and lately a string of Magnas, culminating in my current '01 Solara, which I love.

    But retiring is just around the corner and thoughts turn to a new-er car. Yesterday I saw a 2006 Citroen C5, top model, leather everything, etc, etc, only 60,000 kms, one owner with an impeccable service history, for $9,990.

  2. The only one worth having is the D series as it's now a collectors item, the rest are all crap IMO.
  3. 2CV's are the bomb! Or is that a bomb?
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  4. I had a C3 for 6 or 7 years and 100,000 km. Cheapest car I've ever had for running costs. Nothing ever broke apart from a few bits of trim that fell off which is par for French cars. Never had any nasty 'extras' on the service bill.
    Really horrible 1st gen 'Sensodrive' auto gearbox. This was downright dangerous. If you come to an almost stop and want to accelerate away, the box decides it wants to change down to 1st which takes 3-4 seconds (I'm not exaggerating) leaving you rolling along at walking pace with no drive. In such a situation it was better to come to a complete stop and start from there.
    Ride quality was pretty good for a little car. Not as good as the Peugeot 306 I had before that but better than my current Suzuki SX4.
    Excellent headroom combined with low door sill made easy intro and exit for my elderly mother. Rear seating not generous.
    I'd buy another Citroen.
  5. If you are looking for something different, I would suggest a SAAB or a Volvo [ not the old box shaped one ]. For much less than $ 10k can get a car which is different, fitted out with all possible luxury accessories with low kms and is fun to drive. Made in Sweden, can't go much better. Much more reliable than the french cars, once they get a bit older. I bought myself a slightly used Volvo S60 and I am extremely happy with it. Had it for 8 years and no repairs whatsoever. Exterior and interior still in top condition and it looks better inside than a BMW or Merc of that class.
  6. The Citroen C5 is a lovely car to drive and can be a bargain, mostly because they have a well earned reputation for expensive failures, especially the transmission. However, there were some models which were very reliable. I would suggest contacting an expert to make sure you have the right one. Some C5 have the hydro pneumatic suspension which is fantastic, and very reliable, but lower models are steel sprung. I suggest Jason Hantos in Hornsby Heights would be the best person to ask. If you want to message me I can give you contact details.

    My preference is for the earlier models and have a '72 DS for weekends and an '89 BX as a daily driver., both of which have the fantastic suspension. The DS is clearly the greatest car ever made ! :) Sadly the C5 is the last model ever that Citroen will build with this system that they pioneered in 1955.

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  7. Dunno if I'd go quite that far, but, having been treated to a run down and up the hill from Pie in Michael's Goddess, I have to admit it is a VERY elegant conveyance.

    Only thing was, the tape (I assume) of some lady singing in French seemed a wee bit over the top. :)
  8. something about wankers driving french cars just to be different..... then driving like wankers.
  9. None of them made it to work today. . . .

    Seriously now, (not citreoen specific opinion), modern mid-level european cars are a lot better than they used to be. They are still going to have some idiosyncracies when compared to the Japanese, but these are a lot more minor than they once were.

    Mind you, I'm not sure I'd quite categorise 2006 as modern. That's probably at the end of the transition years.

    Like most european cars you will pay more for service, even if it really isn't justified. People that buy non-new Citroens tend to be self-servicing type people. The Interweb means you are less dependant on dealers for parts.

    If you are not self-servicing, then you need to find a local non-dealer specialist.

    All of the above could be said for Peugot, Alfa, Renaut, etc
  10. I learnt to drive in a citroen if that helps....
  11. I agree with MichaelR65 that the Citroen DS series was technologically way ahead of its time. The suspension and aerodynamics of the bodywork were futuristic. And the little 2CV was remarkable too. It achieved a cult status like the Beetle. I drove one with a friend from Germany to Turkeys eastern border on a holiday and it never missed a beat. It would go at any speed ( mind you, only 18 hp ) around any corner at the weirdest body angle, but we never managed to tip it over. If you ever drove one you will never forget the pistol grip dashboard gearshift. :eek: There are a few immaculate ones driving around Brisbane.
  12. MrsB and I bought a Fiat Scudo last year which, as you may know, is actually a Citroen Professional/Peugeot Partner, built in France and with a FIAT badge stuck on. It's great. Service costs are reasonable, no problems in 20,000 km, build quality is up to anything not actually built in Japan or Germany (and that's most of what's in Australian showrooms these days, whatever the badge may say). I'd certainly look at other products of the PSA group.
  13. Citroens are supposed to be idiosyncratic. The great thing about pre CX (which had self cancelling indicators - quelle horreur) Citroens (and 70s and earlier Saabs) was they didn't feel too constrained by how other car manufacturers did things.

    The DS was great to drive, perhaps not a rocketship (would like to have driven an SM) though it would cover distance rapidly and full of great ideas. The hydraulic system which ran the suspension, brakes and steering was a brilliant idea. If you lost the hydraulics (as I did one winter night in Breadalbane) you still had brakes and steering as long as the suspension still was up. Jacking the wheels was bizarre and it was generally 'interesting' to work on. The cables for the self levelling headlights and steering driving lights were also quite clever. Not so sure about engine and gearbox which seemed a little primitive - perhaps not by 1950s standards

    I thought the C6 still existed outside Australia though - I'd have said this was the true successor of the DS though the upmarket C5 looks a nice fallback? You do take a big hit buying any of them new though.
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  14. Wouldn't touch a new one, would look for a highly reduced, very low kilometers or demo model
  15. Well I'll be driving this C5 later in the week; it belonged to the Aunty of the Dealer Principal, so I'm guessing it's been well looked after.....
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  16. 1950s? I should coco. IIRC the DS powertrain was a direct and not terribly distant descendant of the Light 15 of 1933.
  17. You are right, the early DS19 motor was developed from the Traction Avant motor, the most old fashioned part of the car. To be fair though, that motor was OHV with a cross flow alloy head with hemispherical chambers. Alloy sump too and two coil "wasted spark" ignition. All pretty good by 1955 standards but sadly not the air cooled flat six that was originally planned for the car. In later models there was a new motor installed with more modern features.

    Apart from that the 1955 DS had disc brakes (a first for a production car) mounted inboard with ducted air cooling, power operated, load proportioning, dual circuit with a backup pressure reservoir to maintain braking power even if all other systems had failed.

    The power steering and suspension geometry was such that a high speed tyre failure was almost a non event and allowed safe and controlled stops. Try that in a 1955 FJ Holden!

    The car was suspended on fluid and gas which was height adjustable, load sensing and allowed the car to jack it's self up for a tyre change. It could also be driven on three wheels. The suspension system was used by Rolls Royce and copied by Mercedes Benz. It is still used in top of the line Landcruiser and Lexus models.(as well as the C5).

    The aerodynamics were so advanced that it took companies like General motors almost two decades to catch up. Citroen paid attention to airflow over, under and inside the car with a flat under tray and ducted radiator cooling air.

    Headlights that are self leveling and linked to the steering to "see around corners" ? Crumple zones? Collapsible steering column? Deformable plastic dashboard? So much more.

    You would have to be a wanker to NOT appreciate the differences! :)

  18. I drive a 2008 c4 diesel, I call it the rally car, missus calls it the Girly car. Absolute blast to drive, drive to Adelaide from Melboune and half way back on a tank. Has a few quirks but as I also like cars that are a bit different it suits me.

    just make sure your eyes are open when you make the decision, some things will cost more, hint eBay and parts from the UK are very reasonable, but I would buy another Citroen based on the experience with this one. Had it about 2 years. Note resale isn't going to be good because they are different and not well known. Seeing a lot more on the road now though.

    Good luck
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  19. I don't think I would touch a French car unless you really wanted one. I like French cars but it's quite possible you end up with a lemon.

    I had a Peugeot 206 gti and literally (I'm actually not exaggerating) every weekend I would be fixing something. Typically it would be an electrical fault but had a few things go wrong. It was literally a headache to own.

    I have really wanted a Renaultsport Megane for some time and actually looked was shopping around for one. I looked at two and both had electrical problems.

    It was at this point I decided to end my affair with French cars and buy a v8 ford falcon. Now I'm a bogan wanker and not a French car driving snobby wanker. I guess some things never change...

    Disclaimer: I haven't owned a Citroen myself. A close friend who did had a number of minor to moderate issues. I would still recommend French cars be approached with caution.