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...An eye for an eye??....

Discussion in 'The Pub' at netrider.net.au started by Tweetster, Aug 20, 2010.

  1. ...A Saudi judge has asked several hospitals in the country whether they could damage a man's spinal cord as punishment after he was convicted of attacking another man with a cleaver and paralysing him, the brother of the victim says.

    Abdul-Aziz al-Mutairi, 22, was left paralysed and subsequently lost a foot after a fight more than two years ago. He asked a judge in north-western Tabuk province to impose an equivalent punishment on his attacker under Islamic law, his brother Khaled al-Mutairi told AP by telephone from Saudi Arabia....




    Source and full story:
    http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/7792667/court-considers-paralysis
     
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  2. Sounds barbaric to me.

    I guess the "doctors" over there don't think much of the hippocratic oath.
     
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  3. Given that the article says "..has asked several hospitals...", it sounds like they do care ;). Pretty sure that area of the world has, historically, had better medical practises than Europe (washing one's hands before operating, for example :p).
     
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  4. Does it say if they said no, though? What if they ALL said "hells yeah"
     
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  5. Seems that their court system is centuries ahead of ours in some regards
     
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  6. barbaric: yes
    teach the other low life's a lesson: epic yes

    edit: as in think twice before bashing someone etc
     
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  7. It also punishes the perpetrator's family - after paralysis he is unlikely to be fully self-sufficient, at least for the first year.
     
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  8. I suspect it would be hard to bash someone from a wheelchair...

    How specialised do you need to be to damage someones spinal cord?

    Sounds a bit over like over the top vigilante justice to me.
     
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  9. I guess you need a facility that can damage the cord without fear of any outside infections, other 'damage', so I guess 'spinal specialist' surgeons and/or operating theatres? Of course, all this from a laymens view :p

    But from personal research, paraplegics may be able to walk [again] someday due to stem cells. From my brachial plexus injury readings + joinings of 'medical forums', I came across a research paper from 2 either british or canadian surgeons who have been able to repair once 'non able to walk again' paraplegics by using nose stem cells and other technology to repair the person(s). It's going through the long phase of official studies, test cases etc to pass probably whatever is the protocol, FDA or whatever medical aministration(s) to get this into 'mainstream'.


    Some quick googles brought these up

    http://www.bionews.org.uk/page_12584.asp

    http://www.sci-recovery.org/stem1.htm

    http://eurostemcell.org/faq/what-can-stem-cells-do-spinal-cord-injuries

    Everything I said was just from past research/seeing of stuff around 06-08 when I was 'heavy' into my studies to see what possible chances were for me then as someone "without an arm" due to nerve damage, the mentioned brachial plexus injury. Since then, I've had a late recovery and some of my function has returned, VEEERRYYY SSLLOOOWWW, but it has returned something positive instead of a complete "dead arm" what I had for around 18-24 months I guess. My memory is VERY vague of that period due to a huge truck load of pain meds for neuropathic and nociceptive pain.

    At least the good (great! ;P ) news is I'm well enough to have started a family and even may return to work 'soon'. Looks like I have a job, it's VERRRRY low hours as I'm helping a worldwide company 'start up' big in Oz, atm they are one office which my friend works at that got me talking to the manager. I've started a project for them and they are very happy with me, it's more of a future prospect as it lets me be able to watch my 10 month old daughter grow whilst I have the security of a part/full time job in the future it seems :) Plus the pay of > $100/hour for part time stuff is great as a contractor! :D They just have to wade past winter as it's a surfing/swimwear place so winter is very slow obviously but their past performance of summer/years has been over $100 million worldwide but of course, Australia is somewhat 'zero' to them, they're just starting up here. So, WHEEEEE to possibly being employed properly for the first time since my 2006 injury.. Sorry for OT :D
     
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  10. after seeing what else goes with spinal cord injuries, walking is the least of their problems.....as for the punishment, **** that i would rather face the firing squad
     
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  11. Reading this thread is making my back hurt...argggh!!

    Just imagining someone coming up behind me with a scalpel to slash against my lower back.. OW OW OW! *wriggles lower into computer chair*
     
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  12. cut his legs off but leave spine intact so he can feel it
     
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  13. Sadly, I'm sure there'll be people here in Australia thinking it's a great idea.
     
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  14. Interestingly he got a relatively light sentence (14 months) from a court in the first place so just perhaps there's a bit more to it since I don't think that Saudi courts are generally inclined to leniency.

    This is someone shitty with the sentence and wanting it reviewed under the barbaric nonsense that passes for religion in Saudi Arabia.
     
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  15. Definately what I'm thinking. "Abdul-Aziz al-Mutairi, 22, was left paralysed and subsequently lost a foot after a fight more than two years ago". So that could mean the attacker was defending himself from a group of twenty men, or he just went on a rampage in cold blood???? As usual, the media won't let facts get in the way of a good story. No mention of the instigator or the conditions. Not trying to justify what happened and at the end of the day, it's barbaric on all counts.
     
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  16. Just playing devils advocate.. people are aware of the following aren't they?
    (i) the Christian Bible quotes "an eye for an eye" when talking about punishments;
    (ii) IN both Aboriginal and Islander (PNG) culture the concept of "damages" exists whether it be monetary or a similar injury inflicted on the transgressor.
     
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  17. The Christian Bible also has gems such as burning bulls on the altar [Leviticus 1:9], selling your daughter into slavery [Exodus 21:7], possession of slaves [Leviticus 25:44], death for working on the Sabbath [Exodus 35:2], eating shellfish being an abomination [Leviticus 11:10] and not wearing garments of multiple threads [Leviticus 19:19]. No one's jumping up and down to have them enforced though. The point being that over time, it's mellowed out and the more barbaric elements of it are no longer taken literally or enforced verbatim. Whereas Islam, for whatever reason, has not shown the same adaptability overall.

    PS: The more perceptive among you will have already noted where I got most of those examples from, but I would be remiss in not mentioning that epic letter.
     
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  18. The Christian Bible also has gems such as burning bulls on the altar [Leviticus 1:9], selling your daughter into slavery [Exodus 21:7], possession of slaves [Leviticus 25:44], death for working on the Sabbath [Exodus 35:2], eating shellfish being an abomination [Leviticus 11:10] and not wearing garments of multiple threads [Leviticus 19:19]. No one's jumping up and down to have them enforced though. The point being that over time, it's mellowed out and the more barbaric elements of it are no longer taken literally or enforced verbatim. Whereas Islam, for whatever reason, has not shown the same adaptability overall.

    no-one's jumping up and down to have them enforced because they are part of the social laws of the nation of Israel, and can only be enacted (as they were for 1,500 years) when the nation had a Temple and a priesthood, neither of which, obviously, exist today.

    as for 'justice' in hard-line Islamic countires, observation seems to suggest that that's an oxymoron...
     
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  19. Lilley sounds like he'd be keen though.
    :)
     
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  20. Yep, and im one of them!
    Sometimes an eye for an eye is appropriate, sure its a far cry from our piss weak " justice system" that allows perps to get away with Murder and that cant be a bad thing.

    I agree with lilley, leave the spine alone and just whack the legs off...

    I Imagine the **** cases would drop pretty sharply with this line of punishment.
     
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