Hey guys, now that the weather's cooled down I'm looking for a leather riding jacket to take over the mesh jacket's duties. I've come across some really solid looking, Aussie-made jackets from companies like Walden Miller. But I've noticed that rather than having the CE-type armour in the elbows and shoulders, they have a bit of padding and some re-enforced leather in those sections. However it does seem like the leather on a lot of these armourless jackets is of a thicker grade than many of the more common (brand name) jackets in bike stores. But I wonder about the lack of foam armour. Can anyone shed some light on this?