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ABS enhances your riding skills... NOT

Discussion in 'General Motorcycling Discussion' at netrider.net.au started by midnight, Jun 10, 2016.

  1. They don't seem to bright in Vic Roads ....

    A VicRoads brochure has given the wrong impression of ABS (anti-lock brake systems) and even offered advice that riders fit an aftermarket system.

    The comments have been considered irresponsible and dangerous by university safety researcher Ross Blackman.

    The VicRoads brochure delivered with a licence renewal notice states: “A motorcycle with ABS enhances your riding skills and techniques by preventing the wheels from locking, skidding and sliding under”.

    The concerning segment of the VicRoads brochure

    Ross says most experienced riders know that ABS does not enhance skills and technique.

    “It can only compensate for a lack thereof,” says the research associate at the Centre for Accident Research & Road Safety – Queensland (CARRS-Q) at the Queensland University of Technology.

    “While I support the efforts of VicRoads in encouraging riders to choose ABS-equipped bikes (because, yes, they will prevent unwanted lock-ups), ABS should never be seen as a substitute for good braking skills and a clear understanding of how your bike performs under brakes.

    “If you can use your brakes effectively and to anywhere near their potential, your ABS will rarely if ever have to do any work. That should be the aim.”

    The other concern about the VicRoads advice that ABS makes a rider more skilled is that it may prevent riders from seeking more skills through an approved rider course.

    The VicRoads brochure also encourages “(purchasing or) installing a motorcycle with” ABS.

    ABS brakes disc

    However, aftermarket ABS does not exist. It needs to be developed and tuned specifically for each motorcycle and fitted at the factory as the bike is being manufactured.

    Ross says that even if there were such a thing as aftermarket ABS, fitting it should never be undertaken by anyone other than an expert in that field.

    “I dare say that it would almost always be more cost effective to replace your bike with one that already has ABS fitted, rather than take on the many technical challenges involved in fitting ABS to your current bike,” Ross says.

    Advice that riders add ABS might also encourage “backyard mechanics” to doctor their own, with dangerous and illegal repercussions.

    VicRoads CEO John Merritt did not respond to a request for comment.

    The ill-informed advice from VicRoads is not the first.

    In 2015 VicRoads passed a lights-on law for motorcycles which have not been sold with lights-off switches for more than 20 years. The advisor, Dr Alexandra Douglas, did not know about the light switch design rule.

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  2. This is what happens when you take your advice from psychologists instead of engineers.
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  3. Shockingly misleading wording....
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  4. Vic roads is one of Australia's biggest money wasters. They and the TAC keep coming up with Bloopers because there are people in the organizations with agendas that are anti motorcycle and they just don't do the research before making a statement or coming up with a campaign.
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  5. I would hazard a guess that the "agenda" was "publish two ABS articles in 2016" and that there was a bonus attached to it. Unthinking pursuit of poorly defined bonus targets by sheeple seems to be the root of all kinds of stupid.
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  6. I had a good old laugh when I saw this yesturday on Facebook.

    I'm fairly sure that hawklord has said many times at the Saturday morning practice if ABS kicks in then you need to learn how to break or you just fcuked up in some way, shape or form.
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  7. Whilst I think this might have been true or somewhat likely circa 1990 it's a vastly out dated view. There are other advocates slamming an antimotorcycling Vicroads and slamming the rider reps that "allowed" this terrible ABS communication to get out (yeh, I could say a LOT about that topic...) but I suspect the truth is somewhat far more simple that in a big organisation that set a PR and Policy direction cart somewhat ahead of the horse, reality checks about bike ABS haven't made it through the entire organisation.

    Plus as a nation, Austroads is barrelling ahead updating ADR's to make ABS mandatory and every road authoritiy is promoting the hell out of it under some wishful fanciful research showing nice XX% reduction in fatalities...

    Having said that, if you can get on a bike with state of the art ABS, it will be out of the way in all but the most extreme edge of your bike's operating envelope. The more simple ABS systems, can bump into the operating envelope however.

    Yes and no. You absolutely MUST brake a bike correctly to get the most out of the brakes, tyres, suspension and ABS, but depending on the system implementation and how it is tuned, it could kick in "early" leaving some additional deceleration potential on the table. With only two wheels, ABS systems have to be smart to calculate wheel slip, or will just trigger on some assessment of the individual wheel's speed.
  8. 634d18b7c99e56c527b51d3c9dabf4cf.

    So if I first ABS Brakes to my race bike I will be more skilful hey....off to tinker with the wife's Subaru

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  9. Motorbikewriter has updated the article with a reply from Vicroads:

    From Robyn Seymour – VicRoads Director Vehicle and Road Use Policy:
    In a recent registration renewal notice VicRoads sought to inform motorcycle riders about the safety benefits of Anti-lock Braking Systems (ABS).

    Unfortunately, some of the information contained in this notice did not accurately reflect the benefits that ABS can deliver for riders and why VicRoads encourages riders to purchase bikes with ABS fitted.

    Motorcycle ABS is an exciting technology that has the potential to provide significant benefits to riders in a variety of ways and could reduce the number of lives lost and severe injuries from motorcycle crashes by 31 per cent.

    VicRoads wishes to make it very clear that ABS does not enhance your riding skills and techniques. It is not a substitute for proper skill development and riding within your abilities – which is essential for the safety of any motorcycle rider.

    A motorcyclist can improve their skills in a variety of ways but the most effective is by spending time riding a motorcycle and gaining that experience in a safe environment.

    Motorcycle ABS is a rider assistance technology that provides riders with a greater confidence in using the full braking potential of their motorcycle. Given the reduced risk of crashes and road trauma for bikes with ABS, this provides a safer vehicle for all riders, but particularly novice riders as they develop their road craft skills.

    The research in to the benefits of ABS has been undertaken on motorbikes that have been fitted with ABS at the point of manufacture.

    There is no current research as to the benefit of ABS that has been fitted aftermarket. It is far more effective to buy a motorcycle with ABS fitted by a manufacturer than to attempt to fit it as an aftermarket device. To help motorcyclists identify motorcycles fitted with anti-lock brakes on new motorcycles, VicRoads has developed an online resource: www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/saferbikes.

    We also note that aftermarket fitting of ABS for motorcycles is a complex process that requires third party engineering certification, so ABS fitment is very difficult for anyone other than the vehicle manufacturer and is best left to them.

    VicRoads acknowledges that some of the information contained in the recent renewal notice was poorly worded. However it stands by its position that ABS is an important technology for motorcycles that could significantly reduce the number of lives lost and serious injuries on our roads.

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    What do you guys think?
  10. It's nice of them to admit that they made a mistake.

    If I'm not mistaken though aren't nearly all new bikes built today come with ABS as standard, I know that you can only buy the Honda CB500FA with ABS in Australia.
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  11. At this stage, only the EU as of next year, requires ABS mandatorily.

    But because of the marketing edge and the fear factor that a bike without ABS is less safe than a bike with ABS, manufacturers are starting to fall into line and offer ABS as standard.

    Honda selling only the ABS version of the CB500FA may be more about stock levels and variety than availability of the non ABS option.
  12. I think they just got their second article on ABS out.
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  13. yep
    thats why we all ride them
  14. Oopsies at VicRoads ... someone just lost out on having the office with the window =D

    Universal ABS on all but specialist bikes is as inevitable as disc brakes.
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  15. i bet some twat brings them out for pushies soon
  16. Powered by putting a glass rod between the lycra covered thighs of the rider and using the static electricity generated along with the riders own self importance ;)
  17. that would be mighty powerful then
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  18. do they even ride?
  19. no