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A new hope for electric vehicles

Discussion in 'General Motorcycling Discussion' started by jd, Apr 16, 2008.

  1. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/15/2217049.htm
    Can't find any more detailed info, although I'll keep looking since if true I can certainly see other applications for this technology (with companies that have lots of spare cash at the moment).

    Would certainly seem to overcome some of the issues with electric vehicles, especially bikes/scooters. Should mean designers can sacrifice range for maximum speed/minimum weight since a lot of people wouldn't be too fussed about having to recharge often if it only took a matter of minutes to do so. And it certainly wouldn't be difficult to install recharge facilities at petrol stations or other locations to help increase range without having to go for a hybrid system.

  2. The latest nano-titanate batteries will charge fully in about 10 minutes, not to mention lasting donkeys' years and being loads safer than your average lithium-ion or lithium polymer cells:

    They'll give you just over 400km out of a monster supercar:

    It's happening alright, very exciting times. These things are a whole new driving/riding experience.

    The only remaining barrier to widespread commercialisation is cost. Here's hoping that gets sorted out sooner rather than later.
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  3. Very true but if they can indeed solve the longevity issue with the batteries then a high initial cost might not seem to bad once weighed against the running cost of a petrol engine (ie fuel and maintenance).
    Even conventional Li-ion batteries would work though if the superconductor technology was available since you'd have no heat being produced during charging.
  4. OK I love the idea of moving to electric bikes, cars etc. One question I have is due to the high number of people who park on the street are we going to see public power points or are there going to be extension leads running across the footpath?

    It might sound trivial but having lived in inner Sydney for many years with no car park [and often parking two streets away] I thought it might be an issue.

    Not a problem for bikes of course, we can just wheel them in the front door. :cool:
  5. I was thinking something like the stairwell scene from Terminator 2. :grin:
  6. As I mentioned if they can get charging times down to minutes no reason why people couldn't recharge at existing servos, more than likely the current draw required for recharging a car/bike rapidly would exceed what most homes are capable of anyway. It'd also help keep many servos in business since they don't make most of their money from fuel sales anyway.
    Another idea which would encourage people to change would be to make a certain number of prime parking spaces for electric vehicles only - and fit those with a recharging point.
  7. wonder if they could use the same size sockect as my mobile phone :LOL: :grin: .....farking have 50 million different size chargers at home atm, and it shits me trying ot remember which is which :mad:
  8. I can't find any references to show you, but the Vectrix guys tell me there's a government project in Rome that is building recharge stations into power poles all across the city. They write the expense off as a carbon credit or something.
  9. Could always fit it with a metal pole and find the nearest tram line :LOL:.
  10. cool, greenhouse offsets sounds like a great idea.
  11. The office carpark in San Diego has some specific electric vehicle parks with plugs and leads. You see a few home made electric vehicles parked there most days.
  12. Loving the idea of public electric points or even if they get the nano thingy working fast charging!

    What is required for something like this to happen in Australia? Does a local council need to invest in the associated infrastructure? Funding is the bug bear of most things I suspect. :?
  13. We don't have any industry bodies here pushing for it. Rome has the Vectrix company headquarters close by and I'd imagine they're talking to the government about mutual benefit progams like that.

    California has a fledgeling hydrogen distribution system going, with the goal of making hydrogen fuel cells refillable along all the major highways

    But... Hydrogen's shit.
  14. California also has legislation mandating certain percentages of zero-emissions vehicles by certain deadlines - although the federal Government was fighting the legality of those (which I'm sure has nothing to do with the oil interests of the Bush family ;)).

    The Government here of course won't do anything for fear of upsetting the local car manufacturers. Not to mention the ridiculous obsession local manufacturers have shown with trying to hold onto hopelessly outdated technology for as long as possible (ie cast iron engine blocks, pushrods, 4-speed autos, etc.).
  15. Here is some reality for you dude
    Its well put


    The truth about electric cars

  16. I must confess I'm extremely sceptical of the claims in the OP. Given there is a huge amount of research going on into "room temperature" superconduction world wide - most of which requires seriously expensive technology - I'm unconvinced that a retired scientist in rural Queensland has produced an answer.
  17. Hi PP, been MIA :grin:

    Good points, the way I see it is that we can potentially reduce our drain on fossil fuels [and the accompaning pollution issues] by moving to a centralised energy source like electricity.

    Whilst I almost 100% agree with the quotation you have pasted it is based on OLDER and existing technology. With the development of new power strage devices and the inevitable move to greener electricity I think that whilst not solving 100% of the issues raised here do go a long way. Noise pollution is a real issue and as said electric cars are vewy vewy qwiet
  18. No Loz isn't that Methane.
  19. Uhuh - a sarcastic, condescending and biased little article. Leave aside his tone, which pissed me off no end, and just focus on the content, though:

    Check out the rest of the thread. No-one is talking about lead-acid batteries. No-one is talking about coal-fired power stations. No-one is talking about batteries that need replacing after 200 charge cycles. It's a given that those technologies aren't good enough, and that's why they're not used. This discussion is about future possibilities. Saying 'they're not good enough now' or, more accurately, 'they weren't good enough 5 years ago' is no reason to turn away from making them good enough.

    And, of course, he's got a bit of a hide running down the 70-80% efficiency of electric solutions when petrol engines are 25-30% efficient.