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2nd hand 2005 HYOSUNG EZ100

Discussion in 'Scooters' at netrider.net.au started by Umi, Jan 22, 2007.

  1. Ok, so after my initial post of: Any recommendations for a 100cc+ Scooter under $3000??
    I've had a look at the Yamaha YW100/ Bee Wee 100 at a dealer ($3550 ride away) which was a bit more than I want to pay, but probably would pay that for brand new.

    I've found a '05 EZ100, which has only a few thousand k's on it, going for just over 2k with couple months rego and rwc. Am going to look at it with my bf on the coming weekend, but just wanted to get any feed back anyone had on getting a 2nd hand scoot.
    In the ad it says it has a few cosmetic scratches on one side which you can see in pics
    which i'm sure they wouldn't admit if it was dropped or stacked :-# :roll:

    Any advice for looking at one of these or second hand scooters in general would be much appreciated

  2. Zebee's Guide to Buying Second-Hand Motorcycles

    Buying a second-hand bike is always a bit of a risk, especially if it's an old one. Here are my thoughts on the subject.

    I've given some rough idea of costs, but it's only rough. Parts prices vary wildly and labour charges/times do too. Now, what you do when you find a problem is up to you. Some things are just points to argue a bit off the price, some are walk away jobs. I've tried to note the ones you should walk away from. Take note of signs of ham-fisted mechanics; a bike which has been in such hands is often too much trouble.

    First off, preparation. See if you can locate one of your target model before you go looking at ones for sale. This gives you a chance to have a baseline of feel and engine noise. Even better if the owner can tell you "No, that noise is peculiar to my bike, but they all make that other noise." If you are after a European bike, then hunt the local owner's club—or you could ask on the net for someone vaguely local. Otherwise try to look at at least two of the model you want before buying one. Read the various classified papers and Just Bikes and Motorcycle Trader to get a feel for the going price. Ring up a few to check for the mileage you get for that price.

    When faced with an actual machine you are thinking of buying, there are 4 things you are looking for:

    * evidence of good or bad ownership
    * evidence of crash damage
    * evidence of likely engine nasties
    * consumables that need replacing

    So, the first thing is to take a general look around.

    * Is it clean and in good nick? No obvious oil leaks, no worn wires, no duct tape on the seat?
    * Are there any obvious crash marks? Check handlebar ends, lever ends, exhausts, footpegs.
    * Are there any rounded bolts or stuffed screws? Check cam covers, switchgear, engine cases.
    * Have the cables been oiled recently?

    If it looks neglected and unloved then it is probably best to walk away unless you are prepared to spend money. Sometimes a neglected bike is an ugly ducking waiting to turn into a swan, other times it's an ugly duckling not even fit for the pot. Any owner with any sense will clean the bike. So look for oily places that might have been missed, and look again after the test ride for new oil patches. Old bikes do tend to be a bit oily, but more than a bit is a danger sign.

    OK, now starting at the front and working back here is a list of things to check (try all of these on a good bike of some kind first to give yourself a baseline).

    1. Wheel Bearings: Put it on the centrestand and, grasping the front wheel, move it about. You are trying to see if you can woggle it on its axle. Move it side to side and twist it. If you feel looseness or graunching, there's a dead wheel bearing. Probably about $30 for the bearing and a couple of hours labour.
    2. Wheels: Spin the wheel and look for dings. A flat spot indicates the owner has hit a rock, or wheelied too hard. Gouges indicate a ham-fisted tyre changer. Run a screwdriver over the spokes of spoked wheels. If you hear a different note, the wheel may not be completely true, or it may just be that the spokes need tightening. Also look for broken spokes, especially in rear wheels of trail bikes. While you are there, check the brakepads. Most callipers have a little plastic cover you can pop to see the pad thickness.
    3. Forks: Run your hand over the fork tubes, feeling for pitting. Any pitting in the bit the slider travels over means fork seals will always die. Push down on the front end to compress the forks fully. When they come up again, look for oil marks—oil means a new fork seal is needed. A little bit of oil mark is OK, but more than a smidgeon is a worry. Replacement will be about $30 per seal and a couple of hours labour.
    4. Steering Head Bearings: Put the bike on the centrestand again and grabbing the forks push forward and pull back. You are looking for clunks and graunch feelings in the steering head. Move the bars from full lock to full lock. They should move easily and there should be no graunch or notchy feeling. Replacement will be maybe $150-$200 including labour.
    5. General Front End: Run an eye over all the bits—fork sliders, headlight, tubes, axlenuts. Look for scrapes, gouges, bent bits. Look for grungy wiring.
    6. Electrics: Test all the electrics. Everything should work: all lights, all indicators, all switches. Dead electrics can be simple—bad connection, bad bulb. They can be horrid to track down though.
    7. Switchgear and Instruments: Look at the switchgear, looking for buggered screws, bent bits, bad wires etc. Look at the instruments—all idiot lights should work, all dials should work. Look for crash damage. Look for swapped speedos—does the fade level of the tacho numbers/background look the same as the speedo? (That's a *dead* giveaway on my Duke single, and no one has ever asked about it). Are the handlebars straight? Is the front wheel straight when you hold the bars straight? If not, then walk away. If s/he hasn't fixed the bent bits there may be a reason. It might only be a bent handlebar, but be sure that's all it is.
    8. Battery: Lift up the seat and check the battery. Sulphated terminals and low fluid level are a sign of poor maintenance or a bad charging system.
    9. Chain and Sprockets: Look at the chain and sprocks. Can you pull the chain back from the sprocket teeth at the very rear of the sprocket more than half a tooth? If so, the chain is dead. Are the sprocket teeth worn? A new chain and sprockets can cost a couple of hundred bucks. Are there any signs a chain has jumped? look for damaged chainguard, welded cases, scratched swingarm. If the cases have been damaged and welded, walk away. Gawd knows what is under the weld. Some bikes cope OK, some have horrid consequences if the chain jumps. Are the chain adjusters about the same either side? If they are markedly different and the bike tracks straight with hands off the bars, then the bike is bent and the rear wheel skewed to hide it from that test; walk away.
    10. Tyres: Check tyre tread. Remember how expensive the damn things are. Are the tyres matched? Are they inflated to the correct pressure? (If the owner doesn't know the right pressure, then that's a giveaway in itself). If they are tubeless make sure they haven't been plugged for a puncture.
    11. Rear Wheel and Swingarm Bearings: Put it on the centrestand and get someone to lean on the front until the rear wheel is off the ground. Grab the rear wheel and push the swingarm from side to side. It should be firm and not move. Any give or woggling or graunching is a dead swingarm bearing and can be expensive. Now twist the rear wheel the same as you did for the front, looking for dead bearings.
    12. Rear Brakes: Check the pads for thickness. If it has a drum rear, it will usually have a pad thickness indicator on the brake arm. If not, then the angle of the arm is a clue: the more horizontal, the less brakeshoe you have.
    13. Shocks: These are hard. About the only thing that will show up is if the rear shock is absolutely dead. Take it off the stand and bounce up and down hard on the seat. If the thing bounces several times instead of going down and coming up once, the damping is dead and you need new shocks. This test will only catch a really dead shock.
    14. Starting Cold: Start it up from cold. If it's warm when you get there, walk away and come back when it's not. Too many things are hidden by a warm start. Does it start easily? How much choke? Does it blow smoke? Does that clear when the choke is off? Most bikes will blow smoke on the choke, but should settle down when off choke. Kwaks are notorious for revving their heads off on choke but most bikes will idle more or less.
    15. Motor Noises: Look for any unusual noises. It's really hard to know what a motor *should* sound like without having heard good ones. For example Guzzis are all tappety, but a dead camchain is distinctive.
    16. Stationary Tests - Motor Running: Does it rev easily? Is the throttle stiff? Does the throttle have trouble returning? Does it change into first OK? How heavy is the clutch? Does it feel notchy (if it does, it's likely to need a new cable; same if the throttle feels gritty). Is anything obviously oily now the engine is running (feel under the crankcase)? Turn the headlight on and rev the motor. Does the light brighten? If not, walk away as the charging system is stuffed. You can test this with a multimeter if you need to. You should see the DC volt needle jump.
    17. Riding Tests: When riding, if the frame seems bent, walk away. It's all expensive to fix. Does it track straight at 10-20 kmh with your hands off the bars or does it veer to one side? (Note: road must be flat, no camber.) If it veers, it is bent. Make sure you are well-balanced for this test because you can make it veer with body movement. How are the brakes? Some bikes (GT550 Kwak and similar) have absolutely awful-feeling brakes but they pull up OK. If it doesn't stop OK, it may be as little as new pads ($30 a calliper), but it may need new lines ($100+), or a new master cylinder kit ($100+). Will it rev freely, and pull OK? Does it jump out of any gear when revved hard? Are all gears easy to get to? Are there any false neutrals? Speaking of neutral, can you find it at a standstill? Does the neutral light lie? (All Italian bikes will fail both these tests.) If the gearbox is temperamental and misses gears and such, can you live with that? It will be bloody expensive to fix. Does reserve work? If not, it may just need a cleanout. Does it shake, get rough, or otherwise object at any revs except very low ones? (Most 4cyl bikes have a "rough" rev range where the thing feels like it is grinding something. My 550 Kwak did it at 4000 but not at 3900 or 4100.) Do a lot of stopping, starting and clutch slipping. Does the clutch cope? New clutches can be expensive depending on bike model. My old Italian bikes seem to "grow" the clutch in stop/start traffic and I have to continually adjust the cable. I live with it. If you can take it somewhere where you can go at speed, how is it once you get to 100kmh? If you can find a corner, does it weave? If it wobbles at 100 or going at medium pace into a corner, the shocks or possibly steering head are gone (assuming that the tyres are OK). Get someone to look at the exhaust when you accelerate. If it blows smoke from one or both pipes, it may have ring/piston problems. (2 strokes excepted of course, they don't call them "blue smokes" for nothing.)

    Remember, there are lots of nice bikes out there. Don't let your new bike fever call the shots. Your bike will be waiting for you; don't buy a lemon because you can't wait for it.

    quote from: http://www.wima.org.au/vic/news-zebee.html
  3. is this the scoot? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Hyosung-Scoo...8QQihZ018QQcategoryZ32075QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    if it is, you can buy a brand new Honda Lead 100 for $2490, which takes unleaded petrol. or you can get a Bug Escape 90cc brand new for even less.
  4. What do you mean by "which takes unleaded petrol" ???
    So does the Hyo she's talking about.

    Are you thinking about it being a 2-stroke? That still mens it takes unleaded fuel, you just also have an oil tank to fill as well.

    Umi, second hand bike is the same as a second hand car. Just try and get as much genuine info about it as possible before you make youe choice. Get things like service history. Chat with the seller to get an idea of how they have used it. Do they seem genuine? Do they seem like someone who would have thrashed it? Are they hoons?

    Test ride it. Get your bf to test ride it. Test out the brakes, acceleration, all the lights, indicators, tyres yada yada yada etc etc etc.

    If you get a dodgy feeling about the bike or the person then walk away, there will always be another one for sale sometime later. And dont hane over your cash straight away - go and do a REVS check to make sure there is no money owing on it.

    If it all sounds good and you reckon 2 grand is a good price, then offer them $1,800. If they're in a hurry to sell they might take it or they may counter offer.
  5. the one i was looking at was the link i originally posted: http://www.bikepoint.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=2283935&TabID=801923&Alias=bikepointau

    The Bug Escape sounds good on their site, but only found them going for $2999 and i imagine that would be + on road costs....

    thanks for that quote tho :)
  6. Duffman thanks for the advice. Pretty much confirmed what i was thinking anyway. I don't think i'm ever in my lifetime going to get another deal as good as my car (a '92 laser bought from my mum's neighbour who'd owned it since new, cost me under $3k on road including 3rd party insurance :grin: ) just being wishful i guess.........

    I'm now thinking i'm going to end up getting a new scoot, probably on road for $3500/$4k........ Aaarrrggghhh!!! Too much to consider....... so many different options.......
  7. Someone told me this one and is very true.

    There are some cheap bikes and scooter for sale but as they are cheap the owners don't invest on an ad, they just put them at the side of the road with a sign. So keep your eyes open and go for a drive around on the weekends.

    So far I have seen a lot of cheap bikes but haven't found the cheaper scooter I'm looking for yet.


  8. Bug Escape is $2490 plus ORC

    so is the Honda Lead, you can get them for about $2750 including rego, all ORC, probably even give you free gloves or a helmet!