I've been looking for my next bike for a few weeks now, without much luck, but as they say when it rains it pours, suddenly two of interest have come up. I was mainly interested in getting a 250cc inline four. I want something both as cheap as possible and as reliable as possible. Zeal's came up as the most interesting as they're all pretty late models, look fantastic (much better than bandits) and are just about the cheapest 250-4. All I'd found so far were mostly around $5000, too expensive. However I've found one on Bikepoint, a 98 model for $4400 with minor cosmetic damage. http://bikepoint.ninemsn.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=1409669&TabID=3424&Alias=bikepointau I know there are cheaper Zeal's out there, but there's none on the sale market right now (check bikesales) and it seems like a pretty good deal. Anyway, I was browsing through this dealers other bikes for sale, and I found one that grabbed me even more than the Zeal. http://bikepoint.ninemsn.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=1409669&TabID=3424&Alias=bikepointau 1999 Yamaha SZR660- 660cc single sports bike, Low 24,000km's, $5'600. My last bike was an XBR500, another big single sports. I won't go into the headache that bike caused me. Many things I was frustrated with. However the major redeeming point of it was the engine. Great torque, fun to rev, lots of noise etc.. So anyway I am trying to decide between these two bikes. I'm interested in opinions on which is best as I see it it stands something like this: Power:Zeal- around 40hp? couldn't find specifications on google later than 93' model 19.2 ft. lbs of torque top speed- 140km'h (so is all I could find, it's not really this low is it?) overall power seems terrible on paper. However this conflicts with reviews I've read, what's up? SZR660- 48 bhp 40.5 lbs of torque :twisted: unbelievable! Almost more lbs of torque than horses top speed- 186.6km'h, CBR250 beater, nice. Does a 13.3 second 1/4 mile too apparently, whats the above average 250 capable of? SZR seems to be no contest with the Zeal on paper at least Looks: Zeal wins hands down, outstanding. SZR has a quirky rear end, but the front ends okay, would look better naked I think. Wouldn't bother me long term at all though, still a nice looker. Parts, service costs: This is possibly the most important part of the decision and one I could really use some advice on. Both have advantages and disadvantages Zeal: Good: Easy parts availability Bad: Costs much more to service, potential for extremely high costs if something goes wrong SZR660: Good: Cheap single servicing, reliability, cheap parts if necessary Bad: I've heard parts availability is a problem, could be a hassle. Long term reliability is a major factor in my purchase. I'm not sure which is worse, the potential for a fortune in cash if something goes wrong on the Zeal, or the potential to not be able to get the part if something goes wrong on the SZR660. Price: Of course the Zeal's better in this regard, I should be able to talk down to around $4000 right? It's hard to know the value of the SZR. Not many on the sale market. Seem's okay though. Ofcourse, I'm about $2000 short for the SZR . Hope to pay $5000 at the most, high $4000 if possible, is this reasonable? I've never dealt with a dealership before, any tips? Would it be reasonable if I really like the bike to negotiate a price, just pay a deposit, and then pay the bike off over say two months? Will dealers agree to this? I'm not talking about getting a loan and riding away, just having them 'hold onto' the bike until I can fully afford it. Overall: If I had the Cash it seems the SZR is great. However if I had cash I'd be riding a ducati monster 620. Cash matters. Zeal on the other hand is cheaper, but having already had 3 bikes since I got my L's (still 6 months left on NSW P's) I don't want something I'm going to regret, want something thats going to last untill I'm unrestricted.