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Noob 103: Building on basic cornering - Vanishing points
This article builds on the 101 cornering basics and...
Slow down, counter steer harder, keep focussed on the VP a
Given your opposition to applying the brake mid corner, how do you suggest we do this?
Point 3 would have benefited me the three times I went too hot into a corner at waterfall and ending up with SR's, though to no amazing consequence...just embarrassment. The other riders knew it, and took it at half the speed, the appropriate speed.
smokae, which corner mate (can you place it on google maps)?
Great post. I actually re read your previous article on Vision last night and spent my whole ride today really focused on finding the VP in each corner. I have been not as confident of late on the new bike.... and having up and down days with really getting into a good rhythm.
It made such a difference.... I think my lines suffered a little as I wasn't as focused on this, but my vision was so much better, and cornering much smoother. now combing the Vision with great lines!
Been waiting for 103! Love your work Rob
I really like the way that you write Rob - with both your choice of words and pics, I get a great visual of how situations should look. I have actually just been watching Twist of the wrist 2 today and the combination of that dvd and your posts will hopefully make me a better rider and feel more confident when approaching corners.
Top thread Rob, you've probably saved me having to pull my bike out of the trees one day.
EDIT: like smokae I've been caught out by a corner like this too, thank christ there was nobody coming round the other way. I've absolutely hated blind corners since.
great work, as always Rob.
Vision is the SINGLE most important thing when riding!
Thx guys. Hope it helps your riding
Lilley, I'm opposed to rear brake in a corner.
If you are truly too hot, your die could be cast. If there's enough traction to set up & squeeze & countersteer harder, there was probably enough traction to feather the throttle & countersteer harder.
Talk more when online.
Lilley, when I comes to decreasing radius corners, all bets are off. The " general" rule of not braking mid corner is just THAT. ( a general rule ) that will apply in most circumstances.
The fact is...if you have wash off speed and deceleration alone is not enough, then you brake.
"ideally", one should have entered a corner at a speed appropriate to handle the decreasing radius, but we can all misjudge our corners, so saying we should have done this or that is worthless, when we happen to get it wrong.
As another " general" rule... 'Slow in-Fast out' applies very well for these types of corners.
I know you asked Rob specifically, but I thought I would chime in, in the meantime..
*edit* btw. THIS is when experience counts.: knowing threlative tradeoffs you have up your sleeve, between lean angle, braking, and the maximum grip you have remaining, and judging the distribution of all three.
Another clear and concise, easy to understand addition the previous two lessons, Rob.
Good advice Raven! And thanks for the kudos.
101, 102, 103 have been great reading!
BUT, a big issue is the Vanishing Corner...................marker!
Darlings the substance is fabulous but what about style?
Personally I like to get my head well and truly through the corner.......
Sweeties apart from my mantra of "Smooth is Fast" the other equally important factor is TC
104 should of come before 103 imo.....learning road position is the basic's for increasing vision and VP, but good read..
As for the pic it's quite a interesting one, because on approaching that corner (having never ridden it before) that sand on entry would alert me to the high possibility of finding more down the road and as such for me i would enter at a speed that i feel comfy that i could change line mid turn (or stand it up to ride through the sand patch before dumping it on it's side to finish the turn) so it's not just the VP you need take in on approach for the a turn.
+1 to raven's, slow in fast out theory.....
Good point Stewy... and one I considered for a while. I decided with VP's first because whether you're poorly positioned or not, looking for the VP still works and since one of the benefits of a wider entry relates to VP's, it made sense to talk about VP's first.
I'm not far from posting up the 104. Hopefully, you'll see why it makes sense to place VP's before road position.
+1 on all points. That's a good pick up!
101, 102, and 103 are all absolutely top posts.
I've started reading twist of the wrist a number of times and have seen both the DVD's but for some reasons these posts tend to stick in my mind more whilst riding.
Perhaps its your explanations (and the contribution of others) and the fact they are delivered in short lessons allowing you to work on them before moving to the next improvement. Or perhaps because I can't concentrate on more than one thing at a time.
For whatever reason though, I look forward to 104 and the rest of the comments on 103.
Thank again Rob, you're a champion.
Yeah Stew! All good points. The sand is right where I'd be. Outside edge. Then there's that BIG YELLOW ARROW, that would have my spidy-senses tingling, and I'd get off it completely.
To noobs. (experienced riders shadap!) )
What is the significants of that sign?
(there a 3(?) major things it could be saying)
Not wishing to get away from the main topic for too long, but it plays a significant role in this corner that you would be approaching, and is too worthy an opportunity to pass up.
Great way to describe "experience" in your edited post Raven. I guess when you find that balance then you can truely experience the fusion with your bike and the road.