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Noob 102: Cornering basics - improving the basic technique

Noob 102: Cornering basics - improving the basic technique

  1. robsalvv
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  1. Love your work Rob :)

    Seriously, you've put a fair bit of effort in putting this up in an easy to comprehend manner - fantastic stuff. It's like a condensed version of Level 1 @ CSS.

  2. Well I hope it's easy to understand - I tossed up a few few different formats and scenarios as to what the next level of sophistication should be.

    This one took a little more thought. Hope it's worthwhile. :)
  3. Oh well since we're on leaning, here's a wiki page on two wheel dynamics..
    Bicycle and Motocycle Dynamics

    Heaps of info and fomulas that will have you stop reading it before the end...8-[
  4. Joe, do you appreciate the concept of a noob level thread? lol
  5. I think you could summarise point 1 with "turn the bars". You can faff on with angles and body positions and combinations of pushing/pulling, but I think the entire point is that it's all about making a deliberate steering input, which requires deflecting the wheel, however you want to do that on whatever bike you're on.

    Bike control improves immensely the moment you realise you can muscle it around and be precise with exactly WHEN a turn begins. It's not vague, it's not a process of hanging off and letting the bike come with you. Don't be a passenger ever, make deliberate inputs and then be your own critic, did the bike do exactly what you wanted, did you hit your line dead on.

    Or on second thoughts, did I miss 101, and that's what was in 101...? Carry on Rob:oops:
  6. hahaha Devo, yes you missed 101.

    Terminology is king in these noob threads. The term "turning the bars" is what you do for slow speed manoeuvrings. If you turn the bars at road speed, you'll fall off! (Having said that, it's an important thing to do if you're sliding and drifting around corners... like motards like to do!)

    These articles are aimed at noobs. The last article was noob 101 - looking through a corner, steady throttle and relaxed arms... I can't go from that to muscling a bike around?! lol

    I'm building on the previous article and need noobs to understand what an efficient steering input is because it forms the basis of the next level which includes quick steer and taking a deeper line. See where I'm going with this?

    Cheers mate.
  7. Got ya. I said "turn the bars" for a couple of reasons. Like you were saying, any pressure which isn't acting to turn the bars is a wasted input. Secondly, you really are turning the bars. I put a camera mounted under my engine looking forward to the front wheel, and even on a track with 110km/hr average speeds, you can see each side of the wheel in succession as it turns. First out, then in, then further in as the bike gets picked up. It was more marked in slower corners, and an aggressive change of direction through a flip-flop, but it was always there. It's probably more noticeable with the wide bars too. NB NOT saying I ever steer into the corner except when I'm picking it up. Always trying to turn the bars the other way, but the wheel does it's own thing as part of the wonders of motorsickle geometry.

    But now I'm prattling on. It's a simple concept really, this riding gig.
  8. Thanks, Rob - excellent work!!! =D>
    Very, very helpful.

    In appreciation,
  9. Thanks Nightowl. Hope it helps make those twistie hills a lot more enjoyable. :)
  10. I like the pictures
  11. Well done Rob. Love your work.
  12. Good stuff Rob. I'd like to also see some tips in the future for more efficient corner preparation. I feel like I scrub off my speed too early in preparation for the corner and end up riding too long in 1st or 2nd before tipping in. I'd be interested in body positioning and how to get the most out of your brakes without over cooking it.
  13. Hopefully this gets stickied as well. I'm still working my way through 101 but great write up again.

    Need more practice time. Stupid work.
  14. Vision. Get that sorted. That'll fix your issue.

    The only tip there is regarding braking is this: Extend fingers, encircle lever, progressively pull lever towards the bar.

    The brake is a decellerator to help you set speed. That's it. You set the speed based on one or a combination of: What you see about the corner (tight, open, surface etc), what you know about your skill level (competent, noob etc) and what you know about your bike (sticky rubber, sorted suspension, old hack etc). However, it's usually vision which is opens or closes pathways to better riding.

    Note: I haven't commented on your gear selection. That's a whole other issue.
  15. Thanks mate. The write up seems to have survived the initial review, so I've stuck it. :) Good luck with your work.
  16. Me too. That reminds me, I should credit where I got the pictures from. Thanks.
  17. Ok, just a preemptive commentary about step 3, upper body lean.

    I was mentoring a rider on the weekend and we were working on upper body lean. There was one particular corner where they actually got some bike and body lean happening (it always feels like more than there is) but at maximum lean their SR's kicked in. What happened next was that they readjusted their body position and leaned AWAY from the road, i.e, away from the corner.

    Keep a lookout for this.

    Full credit to the rider, but they noticed this about themselves and worked through their SR in subsequent corners.

    Now experienced guys will sometimes choose to not lean at all or lean away from the corner for other reasons, but it's in context with their whole plan for that corner. At this point in your cornering experience, you're reading this because you're wanting to gain experience and you're presumably not riding through corners fast enough to warrant any reason for not leaning with the bike, so for now, DO NOT clutter your mind with what experienced riders may or may not do. Keep with the program. :)
  18. What kind of corners are we talking about here...your mention of 1st or second gears has me somewhat perplexed.

    Either way....as Rob said....vision is the key....that tells you when you need to brake. As for braking itself... that's a matter of judgement and will improve over time. As long as you stick to the fundimentals...squeeze the level progressively - it's not an on/off switch.

    As Rob alluded to...we tend to associate brakes with "stopping"...Start to think of them as a tool that you use to help set a certain speed that you desire for a given corner.
    Beyond that, I'd advise a training course for a more personal touch on your specific concerns - it's difficult via forums.

  19. Looking forward to the next part on body position but vision would be great to know more about.

    I have trouble (or lack of experience) judging what would be a good entry speed and I *think* that may be down to vision. Coming is I'm usually pretty slow but my exit speed I'm usually happy with although I know it could be quicker at times.

    Appreciate the effort Rob :)