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Noob 101: Minimum cornering technique

Barest minimum steps for good basic cornering technique.

  1. robsalvv
    Seems like there's a need for some basic learner technique information. For this post, we're going to focus on the barest minimum steps for good...
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  1. Good write up dude.


     
  2. Very good info and so very pertinent to where I am right now. On my last ride I was trying to figure out why I washing a little wider than anticpated in tight corners (roundabouts in particular) and what you said about forward weight transfer makes so much sense. I know I am not relaxed enough (need to do that chicken wings thing) and have begun trying to grip the tank with my knees and upper thighs, and I know I have to look through the corners more.

    So thanks for the great info. Very helpful... At least in the comfort of my study :D I'll try to put your thoughts into practise next time I am out amongst it all.

    Fun Ha!
     
  3. Staying loose and keeping bodyweight off of the handlebars is arguably the hardest habit to break out of the above.

    Riders on naked bikes, trailbikes, touring bikes and cruisers probably have it a bit easier than the sporty riders, but it's something everyone needs to be mindful about regardless of the bike type.
     
  4. Thanks! I am just starting out so have been thinking I need to pull together what I learnt in the lessons to start applying when I am out riding. But this is a good summary of what my next step should be.

    Edit: After actually reading all of this, I was thinking I have found corners fine for most part but had the occasional time I felt a bit out of control going too wide. So I find it is more that I need to focus on doing it right even for the easy corners (ie especially the looking with my head through corners). I did a short ride to the shops tonight in the dark and in the wet, scary not being able to see the road surface much far ahead!
     
  5. Thanks for that robsalvv. I've read that prior to a turn you needed deceleration for a lean, so i've actually released the throttle and the engine braking comes in, and it just feels wrong, i'll just try this after. and lets hope i get a good lean at a decent speed.
     
  6. Nice work - thanks!
     
  7. Mod note: thanks to the contributors and proof readers. Your posts are all safe but have been moved into holding just to avoid cluttering the thread. Comments have been noted and the OP was updated. :)

    Rob note: I love NR. :) Noobs don't tend to have a good grasp of the physics of riding so I was trying to create a technique primer that let them focus on the riding aspects leaving the physics aspects off to one side. If there are any other physics clangers, let me know and I'll correct. If there's discussion later on it might devolve into physics, but for now I just want noobs to get some real basic info.

    Thanks guys :)

    And thanks for the thanks. Just get out there and be better frickin riders!
     
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  8. Good work Rob.
    No further edits :D
     
  9. CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESES Rob....
    Bloody good effort mate....there had better be some noobs out there that listen up, put things into practice and be thankful that blokes like you are prepared to put the time and effort into posts that go above and beyond.

    And - just for the record.....Yes, There are indeed alot of other riders on here at NR who all do their bit to help out others - share the knowledge and experience around etc.

    Just that your post was an exceptional effort....

    John.
     
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  10. rob i would say there are 4 steps for good cornering, the first being road position, screw that up and you are already behind the 8 ball in terms of vision/sight through a turn, which then lead on to you example....but i really like the rest =D>
     
  11. Yeh, I thought about that for a while Stewy.

    Road position does seem like a fairly basic aspect of cornering and a good position gives you lots of advantages... but I decided against adding it to the bare bones basics mostly because you don't actually need a wide entry to get around a corner. When I started thinking about it more, I realised there were other reasons why it didn't fit but hell, it'd certainly be one of the next things to add to one's cornering!



    Thanks Raven :) Yeh, I'm still battling for noobs to become better riders. :) Hope you're doing well mate.
     
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  12. fair enough, for me it's the first thing i will tell anyone that asks if you get your entry right (increased vision) do that and looking through the corner comes a lot easier, as you have a bit of a path (ie the road to follow) off into the the distance, it also has the effect to appear to straight a corner out, also not making it look as tight as it might seem, hence helping the rider to relax a little more.
     
  13. Stewy, I don't disagree with you. If a competent noob asked me about cornering, I'd say the same. I'd talk lines etc.

    For a total noob, telling them to take a wider entry position usually means a deeper entry before tip in that also relies on having inherent confidence in a good or quick countersteer. Then there's the fact that a wider position puts you closer to the "bad" stuff, e.g. the shoulder of the road or the white line and oncoming cars... which is likely to fire up a noob's SR's.

    Having said that though, this is a good discussion cause it points to what the next level of cornering skill entails. :)
     
  14. Looking forward to Noob 102 then :)
     
  15. We've had some positive responses for which I'm grateful.

    Is the topic strong enough to be stickied? It doesn't seem to be getting the traffic I thought it would attract - does that mean NR's in better shape than I thought?

    Genuine questions.
     
  16. No Rob...I'd bet there are plenty that are'nt paying attention when perhaps they should be...
    Sticky it, mate.
    It's all been said a 100 times before in one thread or another, and that will continue...might as well try to save some of the effort that takes.
    It can then be used as a reference.

    A follow up 102 to bring in a few other factors that can combine with 101 would be worthwhile if you have the time..

    John.
     
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  17. sticky. also sticky a thread by flux, think it was called how to make a bike dance. think yak bumped it recently which is the first time I saw it.
     
  18. Good work Rob.

    Keep the physics out of it though or sooner or later the stuff that noobs need to know will be lost in an argument over some esoteric aspect of quantum physics.

    Sticky is good.
     
  19. Good point Grey...screw the physics...it's only a distraction from the practicalities of the points being made...
    (even though I know you Love to get into that stuff - resist!) ahahahaha