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Almost killed by Safety Camera

Discussion in 'Your Near Misses - A Place to Vent' started by ibast, May 8, 2012.

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    spenaroo

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    sadly my instinct is to break, sometimes hard....
    i got t bones going through an intersection by a driver turning right. who tried to tell me (through her duaghter as she didnt speak english) my light was red, and she had an arrow. and i was speeding.... it was pissing down with rain and i was 17yr old (P plate) driver..... she then submitted to insurance that the crash happend on another road, in a different suburb (keep in mind that both cars were towed, all 3 emergency services were in attendance, including an ambulance trip for my 8yr old sister i was taking home from school - and the police report case file was written on my paperwork)

    third party insurance paid for my damage,
    a few months later the excess was returned by my insurance after they took it to court. and nothing but a statutory warning came in the mail from the police


    but it left me with a fear of amber lights and a knowledge that there are crap drivers out there.

    the head on with the rodeo towing the hyundai excel with a rope..... well that was my fault, and also in the wet. maybe theres a good reason i dont ride in the wet apart from discomfort.



    p.s. all incedents were in a car.
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    True. Regardless of whether the lights had a camera or not the OP should have stopped for the light. The guy in the truck would probably have done the same thing if it was a red light or a car, he wasn't paying attention which has nothing to do with the lights or the camera.

    Red light cameras are a true safety feature. If you'd attended as many accidents as I have from knobs running lights you'd maybe understand.
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    @spenaroo: that's an epic tale mate, glad everything is more or less ok now. Breaking is hard.
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    I honestly think safety cams increase safety - speeding through intersections is dangerous, these cameras force everyone to slow down before entering the intersection. If you slow down to the limit just prior to the intersection and the light turns amber you will make it through without a ticket every time. I think they have the timings spot on. I was extremely skeptical about them at first and but have now been driving with them for a couple of years and never had an issue or witnessed one. I don't like that they're popping up everywhere though but putting them genuinely dangerous intersections with a high amount of crashes seems fair.

    There are circumstances when you have no choice but to break the law to avoid a crash but I guess you have to trust the legal system.. I don't have alot of faith in it and I wouldn't want to be taking it to court.
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    Cameras at intersections are a good idea. Intersections are known peak accident locations.

    Camera's enforcing the flawed Adelaide 5km/h over the limit doubles your accident risk bullshit... THAT I have a problem with.


    Brmmm, you accelerate through yellows as a matter of habit? :? So you approach every stale green light with the intent of riding through? You are starting to sound like an accident looking for an opportunity.
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    Tell me about it. I'm beginning to doubt whether I should be riding in the traffic as much as I do.

    I did promise the missus I'd get a car for rainy days after last years accident. Still haven't found it yet.
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    What's the division on these between people running the light a bit late vs people that completely missed it?
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    In all fairness, accelerating through is by far the safest action, providing that'll take you through the intersection before it goes red.
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    Wish it were that simple, but I'm not convinced.

    When red light cameras were installed I didn't object, and I was silent when they incorporated speed with the red light function. It's easy enough to see that the danger from red and amber light runners.

    Unfortunately, a lot of drivers still run the amber and red. That's led to a different type of risk factor - noncompliant drivers colliding with those who ARE complying - usually rear-enders. Less serious if you're in a car than on a bike, but that's the way the authorities think.

    This is where rigid, automated penalty systems are working against the safest outcome.
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    This is where they lost my support

    For exactly this reason:
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    Glad you're safe. Was the camera infront or behind you? Would have hoped the truck might have blocked the view of the camera and front camera shots are pointless against bikes?
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    From the rear and the truck went left, so he may have shielded me.

    After initially getting out of the way I did sort of hang around in the intersection in shock (talking partial seconds here), whilst the truck was still barreling on, so the camera may have got me at that point.
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    The law states that you have to stop for an amber light if it is safe to to do. Personally if I see someone accelerate through an amber I'll give them a ticket as it shows intent when they could have braked instead. Of course you can't always stop for an amber, it depends on the speed limit, road conditions and how far from the line you are when it turns amber. It is a bit of a grey area and open to individual interpretation.
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    Not really my question.

    Of the accidents that do occur at red lights how many are caused by people pushing the amber vs those that just didn't see the red?
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    Well, in that case the photo should surely show a huge truck next to you at the intersection. Definitely enough to put for a sensible case I would have thought.

    Just a royal PITA
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    Oh I'm confident it's defendable. In fact even if I get caught up in the automated system I should be able to get it withdrawn with a letter, because the truck will be in the picture.

    I'm not too worried but there is a chance the infringement processor is a hard-arse and then I have the hassle of court. Then I may strike a magistrate that doesn't like motorcycles.

    Still all of that aligning will be very unlucky. Chances are, even if they can see my number plate, a half intelligent processor will be able to see what happened.
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    This is the classic example: approaching a stale green, with an oncoming right-turner already in the intersection. Amber comes on when you are too close to stop before the line; the right turner doesn't wait, and moves to complete his turn. I've lost count of the number of time I've been forced to accelerate within the intersection because right-turners move as soon as the amber appears, regardless of who is in their path.

    Accelerating from way back, just because you don't want to stop, is a different story.

    Camera doesn't care what your story is.
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    and this is my problem with it and the premise that acceleration = intent.

    In my case a quick blip of the throttle would have seen me through the intersection well before the light went red and the speed would not have been dangerous.

    It would definitely been less dangerous than braking.
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    PT. You know you want to.

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    Public transport wasn't as bad as I thought. If I lived closer to a station and it wasn't 4 train swaps I would do it.

    Good perv too.

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